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attack. >> there has been an explosion at the finish line of the boston marathon. let's check in with our affiliate to find out what's going on. >> i think you talked to her when she went on the air with us. she was in a restaurant and she heard an explosion, a couple of them. i think what i heard her say, perhaps you talked to her earlier. she and other patrons went running. we're getting some still images there at the finish line. you can see the smoke that witnesses had described and you can see, this is the disturbing part, that you can see the droves of people on the other side of that fence. that's the scene there when it happened. when we look at our homt shots, you can see that area is cleared. those barricades are knocked over. there is debris everywhere. you can only imagine what happened and what it was like. >> it was unmistakable. this was something that was large and catastrophic. we did see quite a number of people injured and i will say that the injured, the injuries looked severe. >> we got video of the explosion
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as it happened. there it is. we wanted to warn you. wow, that was an intention explosion. look at the reaction. that was one. >> there were two. >> we're seeing this for the first time as well. it looked like it happened i believe in front of marathon sports. there was a second explosion. i think we're just hearing it. you can hear the scream and the panic of the people there. >> some images there we will never forget. as you saw moments ago, boston, washington and the nation paused for a moment of silence at 2:50 eastern to commemorate the moment the first bomb exploded. today in medford, mass, mourners say goodbye to krystle campbell killed while standing at the finish line cheering on a friend. no word for services for 8-year-old martin rich. there will be a memorial at boston university tonight to honor grad student lu lingzi and another memorial is going to be
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held wednesday for the officer sean collier who was killed. michael isikoff, dzhokhar was charged today with conspireing. what's the latest with the 19-year-old suspect? >> reporter: well, he has been charged and there is a preliminary court hearing scheduled for may 30th. i have to say it is not at all clear what his medical condition is at this point and whether he is going to be able to appear for that court appearance. the manning straight had to be brought to the hospital. and in the affidavit with those criminal charges, it talks about him suffering gun wounds to the throat, the neck, to the body, multiple gun wounds. what his medical condition will be at this point is not clear. now what is, there are some additional details in this fbi
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affidavit. and probably what stuck out to me most was this very chilling account of the carjacking that took place in which the victim, coming from the victim, is there with his car. one of the tsarnaev brothers and it is not clear which one, brandishing a gun, taps on the car, gets into the car and says, did you hear about the boston explosion? i did that. a boast by one of the tsarnaev brothers that he committed the boston marathon bombing. then takes the gun, takes out a magazine. shows the victim that there is a bullet in the magazine. reinserts the magazine into the gun. points the gun at him and says i am serious. and that, and then proceeds to force the victim to drive to a pick-up the second brother who gets in the back of the car. the first tsarnaev brother gets into the driver's seat and they proceed to drive to an atm
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machine to try to extract money on the, from the victim's atm card. getting his password. at some point, the pin number, rather, at some point the victim escapes. but that boast, i did that, is one of the compelling pieces of evidence in this complaint. >> michael isikoff, thank you for that update. for more, we are join by nbc news terrorism expert roger cressey. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> picking up on the reporting we have this criminal charge which talks about the use of explosive devices resulting in death and destruction of property as well as the narrative, separate from those criminal charges. just about what these suspects now called bomber one and bomber two, were up to. what does that tell us beyond what we already knew about how the government is looking at this case? >> well, the complaints are a pretty compelling narrative of what they did. and there is plenty of evidence
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they identified in the complaint that will be used in federal court. clearly the video surveillance footage will be key to this. there is also plenty of other evidence. some of it was found at the university of dartmouth, university of massachusetts dartmouth dorm room. and all of that will be brought together. what you see is a pretty complete picture of how these guys went about the bombing on monday and then the narrative of what led up to tsarnaev's capture on friday. >> as we are getting the details, do you see any indication that the younger tsarnaev was brainwashed by the older one? any parallels to the d.c. sniper case where you had the older ring leader and the younger follower? >> we haven't seen that yet. i think that's one of the themes that will come out. because what has been striking about a lot of the interviews of
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tsarnaev's friends and acquaintances is how quickly he reintegrated into his old life after the attack on monday and showed no outward signs of any types of distress or nervous knows. the question becomes, where did his motivation come from? it leads a lot to his brother. based on what we've seen so far, the brother was the one who exhibited public signs of extremism, based on what we saw on the internet as well as his public statements and local mosques. the family relationship will be center to the investigation going forward. >> and roger, from a terrorism and securities standpoint, in the early weeks of what will i'm sure be a very long investigation, into how this happened, to me it seems there are two takeaways. one is in the years since 9/11, all of our agencies and our terrorism departments have found a way to work together very, very well. we found these guys pretty
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early. and we'll probably have successful prosecutions of them. on the other hand, they did commit a successful act of terrorism. they did find a hole somewhere in the safety net and pulled this off. which one of those things do you think wins out? or can it be a little of both? >> a little of both, s.e. they're both true statements. we've done incredibly well what i will call vertical counter terrorism efforts since 9/11. the sheer resources we've put in have been successful. we have disrupted dozens of plots around the country. 17 alone in new york and others elsewhere from east to west coast. but at the same time, we've seen a unique and different type of phenomenon monday in boston. and so much of our effort has been focused on al qaeda related or al qaeda dictated or driven attacks. what we've seen so far, there is more to come out. these two gentlemen may have been radicalized but there are
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no direct lirngs to al qaeda so we'll step back and look at it from a muslim extremist perspective, are there other areas, other reasonings such as asia and chechnya, that we'll need to pay more attention to. >> so roger, quickly does that become an intelligence issue? is that an intelligence gathering issue? >> it is an intelligence issue but also a community issue. of the many plots disrupted around the united states, many were disrupted because of a tip-off from the local community to law enforcement. so we have focused so much on specific ethnic groups since 9/11 in terms of potential threats. maybe we need to open the aperture a little bit. not because the communities pose a threat to the united states but because there are individuals we need to pay attention to. >> when you talk about other groups, not al qaeda but other overseas groups that you might want to investigate. other people in the new york times are saying there might have been other parts to this
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attack. there is a significant arsenal assembled by these guys. are you comfortable this is a two-person plot or that there may have been some other people we haven't yet seen who are advising or perhaps even funding part of this? >> i think there is no doubt that because of the seven or eight ieds that they've discovered since the capture of tsarnaev, they were planning additional attacks. the question is what were they and what would they be? >> my guess and this is a semieducated guest. we'll find other people who were tangentially involved. unwitting accomplices, providing logistical support. those folks, if they are identified and charged, will be on a material supportive terrorism charge. but they were the nexus of this attack. and i won't even call it a cell. i think that's inaccurate. >> all right. thank you very much. >> thanks. up next, charges against the surviving suspect just out this
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let's turn now for more on the charges filed this afternoon. pete william is back with us now. what do we know today? >> well, first of all the charges themselves. two bombing charges that could carry the death penalty. that's interesting in this case because as you know, the commonwealth of massachusetts
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does not have the death penalty in the state system. so this federal case would be the only capital case filed. the government obviously is a long way from deciding whether to seek the death penalty but it is a death eligible case. in term of the narrative that we get out of the criminal complaint, here are the main points, it seem to me. they first of all say that a video taken from a restaurant at the scene of bombing site number two. so here's the street at which people are going by. here is the sidewalk. here's this restaurant. and on the doorway of the restaurant is a camera looking back down toward the street. what they say they can see on the camera is the person identified as dzhokhar tsarnaev come into the view with his backpack on. he work his way into the crowd. he is talking on a cell phone. he appears to take the backpack off. then they say you can see the backpack at his feet in still photographs. then according to this video which the fbi has not released.
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this is merely a narrative description of it. the first bomb goes off. you can see everyone in the crowd that says except him. virtually everyone in the crowd look toward the first scene of the bombing. and he does not. he calmly waits, glances down eventually and then walks away about 10 to 13 seconds before the second bomb goes off which the fbi says he has just left on the ground. that's the first point. we learnt in the criminal complain, the most detailed description yet for the fbi. the key piece of video and photographs from all that material that they collected. the second point. they say both bombs in the marathon bombing were made from pressure cooker using a similar formula of low power explosive, bbs with adhesive stuck to the inside and hobby fuse. then they say a bomb similar to those was found at the scene of the shoot-out in watertown friday night.
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when the two men they were chasing who are said now to be the two brothers, to have the bombing suspects, he they threw a device out of car which was very similar in construction. made with the same bran of pressure cooker as the two devices at the boston marathon. then they did a search of the dorm room at the dartmouth campus they found a white jacket and black hat that was similar to what the suspect was wearing in the fbi pictures that were released on friday. and also they say, bbs, which they say were found in all the other pressure cooker devices glued into the inside of the pressure cooker. as for the carjacking, which you may recall happened fright night which they say it was the two brothers frying to get away. some interesting details.
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they stay man who tone car was sitting there. someone taps on the window. he roll down. a person grabs the inside of the door, points a gun at him and says did you hear about the boston explosion? i did that. then it says he took the clip out of his gun. showed that it had bullets in it and said i'm serious them drive to another location, pick up another person. go to a gas station where the car owner manage to escape and called the police. those are the main points out of this narrative of charges. the initial appearance, this is the first stage. the charges did happen today in the hospital where tsarnaev is held. this is not unprecedented. it has been done in other similar cases. he is now formally charged. >> those are some remarkable details. thank you for that report. i want to turn to the executive dregor of the truman national security project. he served both in iraq and afghanistan.
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has a degree from yale and has clerked at the white house. thanks for being here. it looks like under the law based on what we know, the suspect cannot be charged as an enemy combatant and must be charged in federal court. why is that? >> that's correct, korgt to the best reading of the law. to be charged as an enemy combatant, you have to be in an armed conflict with the united states. and the bill that passed after 9/11 says that we're in an armed conflict against al qaeda and its associated groups. groups like the taliban, for example, that have a nexus or involvement in have any. there is no evidence so far, and there is more to come out, these two individuals were involved in al qaeda in any way. we have no idea if they're members of al qaeda or not. what some, senator graham among them, suggest, we know these individuals are muslim and because we know that despite the fact that they're u.s. citizens who came to this country, in one case, as a refugee at 9 years
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old, we know their country of origin is chechnya and some are involved in indicatal qaeda. if they're not enemy combatants, we can reverse it which is something that ought to disturb a lot of us. we ought to have more faith in our traditional court system. >> as we know today, it does not look like the administration will designate them as enemy combatants. i wanted to back up. we've been throwing these terms around. what is the difference between being designated as an enemy combatant and working through the normal process? what are the differences in materials of rights and procedures and what would happen? sure. the roots of this come from the idea of an enemy combatant being somebody who is part of a war. a german soldier, for example, in world war ii wearing a uniform, they're an enemy combatant. an unlawful enemy combatant is
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someone who violates the laws of war by committing a war crime. terrorism is certainly a war crime if you're part of an army. the way that works and why it is significant, the purpose of dedetaining enemy combatants is to keep them off the battlefield. you can't indefinitely detain someone as an enemy combatant if the purpose is interrogation which is what senator graham and others are suggesting. the problem is if this individual gets a lawyer, they'll stop talking to law enforcement. we know that doesn't quite work for several reasons. one, there is an exception in the miranda rights. when a suspect is read their rights by the police, we're talking about a miranda warning. there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new
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york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him his rights. then they read him his rights. he kept and he provided very valuable information. we know that the traditional civilian court system founded by the founding fathers can work in this situation. >> let me ask you a couple questions. if the russian government was so concerned about tamerlan as to alert our fbi and our government, and warrant an investigation of him, why are we so sure that dzhokhar is not connected to a cell of some sort back at home that might then make him an enemy combatant and then, two, if he is name an enemy combatant and treated as an everybody me combatant, that doesn't mean that he cannot be tried in a civilian court. correct? >> that's correct. in fact, he is not allowed to be
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under the military commission law. 20, it exempts american citizens. so there is that. they could hold him indefinitely. that has to be done, maybe, and maybe not because he is a civilian. that's a question the supreme court has not answered. the purpose has to be to keep him off the battlefield. not to interrogate him. and what you're saerg is interrogation, be to keep him off the battlefield. and point, two it is certainly possible. he is involved in a larger network of cells that may be affiliated with al qaeda. that's why the fbi has deployed interrogators. that's why they will ask him before they mirandize him. that's why they will employ that. >> i want to talk about the miranda point. i understand employing the public safety exemption to a certain point, they tell us we're safe. they told the people of boston
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and boston, you're safe. friday night we got the guy. but we need to use the public safety exemption because we may not be safe. i understand the thinking. but it is supposed to be limited and narrow. is it supposed to last this long? ar i pointed out earlier, the record is something like 50 minutes. now we're into several days. are we possibly compromising parts of the trial by not mirandizing him? are we opening the door to other people who might be arrested in the future? does the government have the right to suspend the rights of suspected criminals because they allege, without actual evidence, that there may be an ideological reason for what they committed? >> i don't think it is based on ideology. especially in the case of the young brother, we don't know what his motivations were. we can guess but that's what we're doing. i think unless we're in that
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part of that interrogation in that hospital room, we don't know. let's remember a lot of the time he was unconscious while he was detained. let's remember the circumstances certainly give the fbi ample reason to believe there may be an additional public danger. probably not to the people of boston. i have friends and a lot of family in the boston area so this is personal to me but i have a sister serving as a new york police officer. if there is a threat to that city or some other city in a follow-on attack, we want the fbi to figure out whether that is likely based on the interrogation. the court is likely to gran federal authorities some pretty broad discretion in this case when it comes to how long they wait before they mirandize this guy. simply because of the facts of the case. the additional ieds that were used. the sheer violence these two guys employed. >> excellent. thank you, mike, for that update. you'll be our lawyer soldier, our soldier/lawyer. hopefully we can use you again. >> thank you.
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we started the program with boston commemorating the marathon bombing with a moex silence. and the ringing of bells. it has been a week of recovery. we showed you the bruins game when the fans took over the singing of the national anthem on friday night, the police being cheered in watertown after the second suspect was taken alive. as a child of boston i can tell you, cheering the police almost never happens. but it was definitely deserved on friday. and on saturday at fenway park, the emotions hit a crescendo as the victims were remembered. then david big poppy ortiz delivered this mention to his city. >> this jersey that we wear today, it doesn't say red sox. it says boston.
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we want to thank you, mayor menino, governor patrick, the whole police department for the great job that they did this past week. this is our city. and nobody going to -- >> and the fenway faithful got ready for the eighth inning anthem sweet caroline. this time done by neil diamond. ♪ touching hands ♪ reaching out ♪ touching me touching you
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♪ sweet caroline ♪ oh, oh, oh ♪ good times never seemed so good ♪ ♪ so good so good ♪ i've been inclined >> i love that song! we bring in legendary sportscaster and nbc's own bob new myer. i have to start with you. we saw big poppy, we saw the sweet caroline moment. it feels right. new england and boston have a special relationship with the red sox. i think they are the sporting heart of the city and the region. nothing against the cs and the pats and the bs, but the sox are special to the city. to see some of this healing play out in fenway and around the red sox. it seems right. >> yeah. we're talking about over 100 years of baseball. fenway park has been around forever. babe ruth played for the red sox back in the day. yes. the red sox, fenway park, it is
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a place where tourists come from all over the world to see baseball. and i think it resembles boston itself. we have an incredible respect for history and tradition and certainly the boston red sox are part of that. that stuff that you saw on saturday certainly played out in light of the experience this week. >> we had you on last week on tuesday. and you made some i thought really interesting comments about security and whether we will ever be able to feel safe or be safe again. let's take a listen to some of that. >> we will never actually be safe unless we want to do things like other countries have done. like israel has done. if we want to have armed guards at every t-station for the rest our natural days, if we want to have armed guards in front of hotels and restaurants and nightclubs, we can probably be safe. or at least safer. we're americans. we're bostonians. we're not going to put up with that for very long.
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>> so shelly, a week later, do you still feel that same way? >> to a certain extent. after what we went through on friday, we were absolutely perfectly safe. most of us, most people who didn't have to go to work, who did not have to work at a newspaper, were sheltering at home. campuses were on lockdown. so we got a taste of what it feels to be absolutely perfectly safe and you know what? most of us wouldn't want to go back there again. on the other hand, what i did see on friday night was everyone coming out as soon as suspect number two was caught. and the lock in place, shelter in place order was lifted. the t was running. people came out of their homes. college kids were streaming on
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to boston common. when i walked through there at about 11:00 friday night, and it was a wonderful, wonderful sight. so did they feel safe? they absolutely felt safe. can they be safe in the broadest sense of that word? not really. but we feel a little more whole than we did a week ago. >> bob, let me just say no one understands better than me how important it is to have your home town and your sports teams and your local politicians and celebrities come out in strength and solidarity. i live through 9/11 and i have visceral memories of events at yabu stadium and shea stadium. and bringing baseball bank sort of signaled bringing the city back to life. that it was okay to come back and start recovering. at the same time it makes me so
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angry to see these punks, these cowards, these losers, these terrorists get recognition, get attention. isn't this in some sense why they do this? to get someone like david ortiz and neil dimond, to know who they are and we get to watch as they go from nobodies to somebodies. i don't know what the answer is but i wanted to get your thoughts. >> i live in watertown. i know what we went through on friday. i know how those streets were empty. i could hear the sirens all day long. i could hear the helicopters over our heads. we wondered where that suspect number two, where he was held. whether he was holding hostages. there was a lot of fear in the town that day. and when it all ended and people spilled on the streets of watertown, a very middle class town, very diverse, wonderful
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people. wh one of the images i have is an african-american red sox fan who put a fleece on and was actually clapping and high fiving the s.w.a.t. trucks coming by, giving it this and all that stuff. that was the one tv moment that stuck with me throughout that night. how people were rejoicing of and the complete appreciation of all the law enforcement. and the traumatic surgeons and all the first responders and the pride that people have to say they are from this wonderful city of boston, massachusetts. it is palpable. trust me. >> i would add to bob's comments. that friday night on the common with a couple thousand college kids. they were alternating yelling, u.s.a. and bpd. boston police department. when have you ever heard college kids in praise of the police all
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around them? it was really quite a wonderful moment. there have been lots of wonderful moments over the past week that in that kind of mindset that we have that we won't let the terrorists win. we won't let them steal our thunder and our spirit. >> that's right. >> it was totally deserved. thank you very much. bob, great to have you here, sir. thank you very much. >> always a pleasure. police are working the get as much as they can from dzhokhar but how do you interrogate a guy who can't talk? hostage negotiator jim cavanagh is back with us next. ♪ good time never seemed so good ♪
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right now the surviving marathon bombing suspect lies underguard at a boston hospital. he is answering questions in writing because of a throat wound. possibly from a suicide attempt friday night, it tough for him to talk. there is no word on what information he may be giving investigators about the plot or the attack. in the past few days, interesting details have emerged about how dzhokhar spend his day on campus at the university of massachusetts dartmouth right after the bombing. going to class, working out at the gym even. >> i saw him tuesday night at the gym around 9:00. i talked to him about the bombing. he said yeah, it is a tragedy, a sad thing. >> with us now, nbc news law enforcement analyst jim cavanagh. a former hostage negotiator at the atf as well as special agent in charge. and i wanted to start with the basic question. the criminal case against
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dzhokhar seems pretty solid. what are the questions that the investigators are really looking to have answered right now? >> well, hello, krystal and fellow cyclists here. thank you for having me. yes. this case is a treasure trove of evidence. you have a film of the bomber placing the bomb, that's rare in the bombing history of america. that's unusual. still photographs, you have the forensics, the explosives at his apartment, the whole shoot-out with the watertown police, the transit police. they're throwing the bombs that match the bombs. you don't need there guy to really say anything fwufl prosecutors want everything. so you interview him. with the public safety exception, you're going on get right down to the brass tacks and ask the key questions. >> for the prosecution we might not need much because we have a lot of evidence. in addition to wanting to know
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the why, i would imagine they want to know the how, the long it , the logistics. are those separatish inquiries? some agency asking the motives, another one asking about the logistics, how they evaded security, what happens? >> well, that's all going to be pulled together. a great question. the way this is transpiring, if they're using the public safety exception, they want the immediate questions about that issue because of the court ruling. so did you make any more bombs? where are they? did you plant any more? is there any confederates that have any more? any active associates in the boston area with you? any active associates that helped you? they have to get to public safety. then they have to stop and issue miranda. and then once they issue miranda, they can ask him if he'll waive the right. then they would want to get into
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a deeper questioning about confederate that's may be overseas, how we interacted with his brother, when did he first start into the jihad type stuff. that's what they'll get. they'll get broader conspiracy, the self-radicalization. however it transpires in a row. and all the agencies will get the information they need and it will go overseas to cia, dia, whoever needs it at the state department. >> i know a lot of thought goes into how to debrief these sorts of people. i wouldn't if this is an investigation when you talk about someone who is young, angry, emotional having gone through this crazy week. how do you go about interrogating this sort of person? what are the techniques you might use? >> you know, you're evaluating people all the time when you interview them. he is not criminally sophisticated. he is not. he is 19 years old, for one.
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and i doubt he's probably ever committed any kind of violent crime in his life before he became mr. worldwide bomber here for attention, as s.e. pointed out. so you're basing your tactics and techniques on who he is. a 9-year-old guy who is not criminally sophisticated that has some sort of radicalized or been radicalized. i would say with his wounds, he is in a weakened state. very gentle. he won't be very heavy handed. there will be a little relationship building, small talk first. and nothing pressing and then we want to ask you a few questions. how about this? if this is done by pen and paper, a key board, that will be interesting. the fact that the manning straight was in the hospital. every time there is an initial appearance. i've sat through so many, i can't tell you. the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if
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you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the follow-up. >> all right. thank you so much for those insights. up next, the international connection. a whole host of theories about the boller's motives. what if anything did his beck ground play? ♪ if loving you is wrong
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in the search for answers, authorities are look swoo the brothers' ties to two russian republics. dagestan and chechnya. they attended school before moving to the u.s. ten years ago. federal authorities are closely at a six-month trip that tamerlan took to both russian republics in january of last year. they want to know if he received any terror training while he was there. russian authorities asked the fbi for information on the older brother as early as 2011. the fbi spoke to tsarnaev and family members but found no link to terror. andrew is director of the
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program for streeng and international studies. welcome. >> thank you. >> help us understand the geo politics of that region. for one in the stand-off between russia and chechnya, the u.s. has chechnyans, we've been calling out russia for human rights abuses, calling for chechen independence. further, there isn't a huge overwhelming strong anti-american fervor in that region. on the other hand, there is roots of jihadism. so which is more likely an influence over the tsarnaev brothers? is it chechen politics or jihadism? >> i think most likely, s.e., it's the global jihadist ideologies that have i spinspir the tsarnaev brothers. though they're of chechen ethnicity, they've never lived in chechnya, either of them. so that would be my speculation on that question. >> andrew, as you know, in 2011,
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russian authorities asked the fbi to investigate tamerlan, and in deciphering whether there were any problems with that follow-up, whether everything was done that needed to be done, help us understand how often does the fbi get requests like this, and what is the proper procedure for follow-up there? >> boy, that's a tough question but i think the answers to those questions are ones we need to know. the russian intelligence services approached the u.s. intelligence services, the fbi, with some information about tsarnaev, or at least a request that we, the u.s. intelligence officials, follow up with him. and the fbi did. they went through their due diligence. they interviewed tsarnaev along with his father and looked into what websites he was looking into and whatnot and decided he was not a person of danger at
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that time. now, again, i would like to know, what was the information that the fsb had on him that led them to be concerned? was it just simply that they saw that this was a chechen in the united states? there aren't that many of them. about 50 or so. who was visiting radical islamic websites more often. but then, you know, what -- so then this guy goes to dagestan in january of last year and spends six or seven months. what do we, what do the russian intelligence services know about what he was doing there? to what extent was the fsb following up on this guy? and when he returned to the united states, similarly, you know, what was the fbi doing? was he still someone that they thought there should be some concern about? those are big questions. >> okay. andrew kuchins, thanks for helping us with that. as you saw, we were on the
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today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? the boston bombing was a test of the spirit of boston and the city they call the hub showed us how tough it is. it was also a test of federal and local law enforcement who were rewarded for the standing ovation. it was also a test of the media and many outlets failed. it was a chaotic environment where information was at a premium because the nation was scared and needing to know if
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the danger was ongoing and where it had come from and thus how to contextualize it. in those moments the egoes of media people come out wanting to show how connected we are, that we can get the information first or how smart we are we can make the big assertion first. in environments like that when the public and authorities are in a mob mode yelling for a body to attack, media must take extra care to not stoke the wrong flames or tell people of bombs, or connections to foreign terror groups that aren't real. in these moments we risk yelling fire in a crowded theater because incorrect information can cause a dangerous stampede toward an innocent person or group of people or sew fear that makes us think the world is more dangerous than it actually is. there is a desire within media to be first with big news, with developments that mark the closing of a chapter, with items that will change how swirn seve sees and reports the story. being first is often first of
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being the enemy of being correct. putting too much prize on being first makes it harder to be accurate and makes it more likely to cut a corner. and the secret is the race to be first is a big media ego game. does it really impact your media consumption habits that one given outlet was first on this story but a different one was first on that one? do you even remember who was first? it's a game on one upsmanship the audience doesn't care about. what people do recall are the big mistakes. i'll never forget how many outlets botched the florida call in 2000. or how we were not sufficiently critical in the run-up to iraq or that moment last wednesday when i was sitting in a room full of "cycle" producers watching a monitor showing four screens where three said there had been an arrest, even describing the suspect. while pete williams said, no, that was wrong. was he late or was he the adult in the room? now we all know he was right but when journalists make big mistakes like that, it reverberates on to all of us. it makes people mistrust the entire media.
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we all pay for others' sins. the 24 hour landscape increases the pressure to say something new and as lawrence o'donnell once told me, when we're commenting on unfolding situations, we are far more likely to end up saying something stupid. when we are in front of these cameras talking to you, we're in charge of huge cannons able to blast information and perspective and influence your way, and we owe it to you and to each other to show restraint and to be circumspect. every day i'm here is an awesome responsibility, and repay the part of being a small part of a news team. by being as accurate as possible and resisting the urge to leap to conclusions i'll later forget. media people must try to remember to view ourselves as public servants rather than allowing our egos to get the better of us. and now one of america's finest public servants, the always humble martin bashir. >> you'll